My email will be last. His, the significant part, is first.
Subject: Re: NATO
Date: 2018-06-13 09:06
From: Monty
To: Bob Peterson <rpeterson@nbbcompany.com>
Bob,
The only real metric the NATO nations have agreed to is to
spend a
minimum of 2% of their GDP on defense with 20% of that spent
on
equipment. As of Mid 2017, 6 of the 29 NATO member nations
meet or
exceed the 2% threshold. They are US, Greece, the UK,
Estonia, Poland
and just recently Romania. Greece probably only makes it
because they
essentially have no GDP.
All the other NATO nations have been under the
2% number for .... well, pretty much as far back as I know.
As of 2016,
the U.S. Spends 3.3% of our GDP on defense (which is down
from 8.4% in
1960) but since our GDP is so much bigger than other
countries, we carry
the lions share of the effort.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS
I can understand how
those nations would say there's been no real
threat. But now that the Russians are scary again, the
chickens are
coming home to roost. The effect of those nations spending
below the 2%
target is also a cumulative one. There are many necessary
supporting
capabilities that only the U.S. can provide in any
significant numbers.
Some examples include Aerial refueling, airborne electronic
attack,
heavy sea lift, heavy air lift. There's also a capacity gap
outside the
U.S. because the other nations simply haven't purchased
enough "stuff."
The result of this is that if 28 of the 29 NATO nations
decided they
wanted to get together and do an offensive (or in many cases
defensive)
operation without the U.S., they would be unable to except
in certain
rare circumstances because they need capabilities only the
U.S. has
because they have been unwilling to pay for those capabilities
themselves. The longer the gap in spending exists, the
larger the
deficits in capabilities and capacity become.
Now, to be fair, 100% of U.S. defense spending counts toward
the 3.3% of
GDP and we don't use all of our capabilities in Europe. We
have a large
puddle to our West to contend with, too. That being said,
our
capabilities are, for the most part, mobile and can be moved
to Europe
for use if necessary.
Trump does have a tendency to play fast and loose with
facts. However,
the only real difference from previous presidents vis-a-vis
NATO is that
he's been much more willing to take the other nations to
task for under
spending on their own defense. That has allowed them some
leeway in
creating their socialist paradises because they've been able
to redirect
defense spending toward social programs. They would
certainly either
have to spend less on something, have even higher taxes, or
borrow more
money to pay for defense spending if they had to defend
themselves
without the shield of U.S. military strength. That statement
is up for
some debate (but not really), but Trump has been much
stronger about
saying it.
Yes, I was just Monty for most of my career. I had a short
stint as Data
but it didn't really stick.
Hope this helps.
James
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM
<rpeterson@nbbcompany.com> wrote:
Hey, Monty,
BTW, was that your
call sign? Seems too clean and obvious…but…
Not my real question.
As you know, I work the elections and yesterday
was very slow. Fewer
than 10% of the registered voters in this
precinct voted. Seems
a shame.
While shooting the
bull with another guy, I mentioned that I thought
some of the richer
nations should do more to fund NATO and that maybe
the days of the US
shouldering the burden of funding the defense of
the free world should
be re-examined.
He was pretty huffy,
started off by talking about what a liar and
cheat and blah blah
Trump was, and then said that all the countries of
NATO were currently
spending their fair share. I didn’t take it any
further since I
didn’t have facts.
Looked up Fact Check.
Well, they acknowledged that the US contributed
22% of the budget for
NATO and the other 28 countries contributed
according to a
formula based on their GNP. All good. They went on to
say that the US
VOLUNTARILY spent another bunch of money on operations
and “indirect
spending” for military purposes. The figure
mentioned was 72% and
I think that was for all indirect spending.
They did not say
whether that 72% included the 22% spent on Direct
costs? I suspect it
doesn’t. As Disraeli said, “There are lies,
damned lies, and
statistics.” So I am suspicious.
What is your thinking
on this as the only person I know who has
first-hand knowledge
of NATO??
Don’t feel obligated
to “educate” me, but if you have a few
moments, would appreciate a bit of wisdom!
Bob
Certainty is one of the great privileges of youth. ~ Sheryl
Sandberg
to MIT graduating class 2018
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